← Forecasts for Nov 17

2024-25 · Regular Season · Final

Dallas Mavericks at Oklahoma City Thunder

Sunday, November 17, 2024 · tip-off time not recorded

DAL 0–0@OKC 0–1 records going into the game NBA.com recap ↗

Win probability as a share of the court: DAL 19 percent, OKC 81 percent. DAL Mavericks 19% proj. 108 · final 121 OKC Thunder · home 81% proj. 121 · final 119
Each team's share of the floor is its pregame win probability. The line starts at midcourt and moves to the split.

Forecast and result

TeamProjectedFinalDifference
DAL Dallas Mavericks 108 121 +13
OKC Oklahoma City Thunder (home) 121 119 −2

Forecast: Oklahoma City Thunder to win, 81% win probability, projected margin 13.

Inside the Forecast

How the inputs are built
What the model received
InputDALOKC
Elo ratingMargin-of-victory Elo; 1500 is average. 16051675
Elo gap, home minus road, incl. home court +139
Season scoring marginPoints per game, blended with last season early in the year. +3.4+10.9
Games played this season 1313
Offensive rating, last 10Points scored per 100 possessions. 115.3114.8
Defensive rating, last 10Points allowed per 100 possessions; lower is better. 111.3103.7
Combined pace, last 10Possessions per game, both teams. 99.9
Rotation points missingPoints per game of rotation players listed Out or Doubtful. 28.418.4
Rest days 12
Second night of a back-to-back YesNo

This forecast can't be broken down exactly: the model version that made this forecast is not available. Explanations are shown only when the model that made a forecast can be rebuilt and reproduces it. How explanations are checked

Built from the box scores

How the breakdowns work

Where each input came from. Open a row to see the games and box-score stats behind it. A breakdown is shown only when rebuilding it from the stored stats gives exactly the number the model received.

Elo ratingDAL1605OKC1675

Updated after every game from the final score only: wins, losses and margin. Each season starts by keeping 75% of last season's distance from the 1500 average.

DAL1605

1500
  1. Ended last season at 1675 → started this one at 1631
  2. First 3 games: −6.6
  3. Last 10 games: −18.9
  • W@MIN120–114+9.6
  • LHOU102–108−13.9
  • WORL108–85+8.9
  • LIND127–134−13.5
  • WCHI119–99+6.1
  • LPHX113–114−5.6
  • L@DEN120–122−3.9
  • L@GSW117–120−3.7
  • L@UTA113–115−8.4
  • WSAS110–93+5.5

OKC1675

1500
  1. Ended last season at 1657 → started this one at 1618
  2. First 3 games: +34.8
  3. Last 10 games: +22.4
  • WSAS105–93+2.8
  • W@POR137–114+6.7
  • W@LAC105–92+8.9
  • WORL102–86+5.1
  • L@DEN122–124−5.1
  • WHOU126–107+6.4
  • LGSW116–127−16.3
  • WLAC134–128+3.2
  • WNOP106–88+3.8
  • WPHX99–83+6.9
Season scoring marginDAL+3.4OKC+10.9

Points scored minus points allowed per game this season, mixed with last season's margin until 20 games are played.

DAL+3.4

Scores 113.9, allows 109.9 over 13 games: +4.0 a game.

65% this season (+4.0) + 35% last season (+2.3) = +3.4

OKC+10.9

Scores 115.1, allows 102.2 over 13 games: +12.9 a game.

65% this season (+12.9) + 35% last season (+7.3) = +10.9

Offensive rating, last 10DAL115.3OKC114.8

Points scored per 100 possessions. Split into the four factors: right of center helps the team, left hurts, in points per 100 possessions compared with the league average (2024-25 to date: 112.6).

DAL115.3scored, +2.7 vs league

FactorDALLeaguehurtshelpsPts
Shooting (eFG%)56.4%53.9%+3.8
Turnovers (TOV%)11.7%12.4%+1.0
Offensive rebounding (OREB%)23.9%24.7%−0.3
Free throws (FTM per FGA)0.1830.202−0.5
Everything else−1.2

OKC114.8scored, +2.2 vs league

FactorOKCLeaguehurtshelpsPts
Shooting (eFG%)54.5%53.9%+1.0
Turnovers (TOV%)10.0%12.4%+3.3
Offensive rebounding (OREB%)19.4%24.7%−2.3
Free throws (FTM per FGA)0.1780.202−0.7
Everything else+0.8
Defensive rating, last 10DAL111.3OKC103.7

Points allowed per 100 possessions, built from what opponents did in those games. Bars point right when the defense held opponents below average. Split into the four factors: right of center helps the team, left hurts, in points per 100 possessions compared with the league average (2024-25 to date: 112.6).

DAL111.3allowed, −1.3 vs league

FactorOpponentsLeaguehurtshelpsPts
Shooting (eFG%)52.7%53.9%+1.7
Turnovers (TOV%)11.7%12.4%−1.0
Offensive rebounding (OREB%)29.8%24.7%−2.3
Free throws (FTM per FGA)0.1910.202+0.3
Everything else+2.5

OKC103.7allowed, −8.9 vs league

FactorOpponentsLeaguehurtshelpsPts
Shooting (eFG%)50.6%53.9%+5.0
Turnovers (TOV%)16.4%12.4%+5.8
Offensive rebounding (OREB%)29.2%24.7%−2.0
Free throws (FTM per FGA)0.2310.202−0.8
Everything else+1.0
Pace, last 10average 99.9

Possessions per 48 minutes. The model uses the average of the two teams. Faster games mean more points for both sides, so pace mostly moves the projected total, not the margin.

DAL 99.5 and OKC 100.3 → average 99.9 (league 2024-25 to date: 99.7)

Rotation points missingDAL28.4OKC18.4

Points per game of rotation players (two or more of the last 10 games this season, 15+ minutes) listed Out or Doubtful on the official injury report.

DAL28.4pts/g missing

PlayerPtsMinGames
Luka Dončić28.437.510

Source: official injury report, 2024-11-17 17:30 ET. 9 rotation players.

OKC18.4pts/g missing

PlayerPtsMinGames
Chet Holmgren13.323.87
Alex Caruso5.119.18

Source: official injury report, 2024-11-17 17:30 ET. 9 rotation players.

RestDAL1 daysOKC2 days

Days since the team's previous game, capped at 5. One day means the second night of a back-to-back.

DAL1day, back-to-back

Last played Nov 16 against SAS.

OKC2days

Last played Nov 15 against PHX.

The last 10 games behind these numbers, box-score totals

DAL

DateOppScoreFG3PFTTOVOREBOffDefPace
Nov 16SAS110–9344-948-3114-181413110.093.0100.0
Nov 14@UTA113–11543-8512-3915-201711117.7119.896.0
Nov 12@GSW117–12044-8411-3418-24178112.5116.5103.5
Nov 10@DEN120–12248-9010-3314-191010121.2123.299.0
Nov 8PHX113–11441-8011-3320-22118122.8123.992.0
Nov 6CHI119–9945-9312-3817-21159111.292.5107.0
Nov 4IND127–13446-8915-3620-2585121.0126.4105.5
Nov 3ORL108–8542-8510-3214-231812106.984.2101.0
Oct 31HOU102–10839-8510-3014-201010107.4116.194.0
Oct 29@MIN120–11445-9316-3914-18912122.4117.597.5

OKC

DateOppScoreFG3PFTTOVOREBOffDefPace
Nov 15PHX99–8336-9110-4017-181013103.186.596.0
Nov 13NOP106–8839-8815-3913-1655112.893.694.0
Nov 11LAC134–12847-9118-4622-23118131.4125.5102.0
Nov 10GSW116–12742-9411-3321-261114117.2128.399.0
Nov 8HOU126–10746-9014-3720-23107122.3103.9103.0
Nov 6@DEN122–12444-10016-4018-231413111.9113.8109.0
Nov 4ORL102–8639-8512-3112-16155101.086.0100.5
Nov 2@LAC105–9236-8416-3917-19123105.092.0100.0
Nov 1@POR137–11451-9519-4916-191314137.0114.0100.0
Oct 30SAS105–9341-8917-416-8105106.193.099.5

Off and Def are points scored and allowed per 100 possessions in each game; their averages are the 10-game ratings above. OREB is missing (–) where the source data didn't record it.

The result against the forecast

2024-25 surprise games
19%
pregame chance the forecast gave DAL, the winner
the forecast favored OKC
15 pts
margin miss
forecast +13, actual −2 for OKC
8th
most surprising result of 2024-25
of 1,309 graded games
336th
largest margin miss of 2024-25
outcome surprise 1.64 nats

Surprise is measured against this model's forecast, not against what other observers expected. Outcome surprise is −ln(winner's pregame probability): 0.69 for a coin flip, 2.3 for a 10% winner.

Team box score

What happened in the game. These numbers are not used by the forecast, and they are not offered as the reason it missed.

Team statDALOKC
Final score121119
Field goals40–84 · 47.6%43–87 · 49.4%
Three-pointers11–27 · 40.7%14–42 · 33.3%
Free throws30–36 · 83.3%19–25 · 76.0%
Rebounds5329
Assists1829
Turnovers166
Steals411
Blocks55

Where the forecast differed from the result

MeasureForecastActualActual − forecast
Home margin (OKC)+13−2−15
Total points229240+11
DAL points108121+13
OKC points121119−2

Score by quarter

TeamQ1Q2Q3Q4OTFinal
DAL39273124–121
OKC34243427–119

Recent form before this game

Dallas Mavericks

DateOpponentResult
Nov 16 vs SAS W 110–93
Nov 14 at UTA L 113–115
Nov 12 at GSW L 117–120
Nov 10 at DEN L 120–122
Nov 8 vs PHX L 113–114

Oklahoma City Thunder

DateOpponentResult
Nov 15 vs PHX W 99–83
Nov 13 vs NOP W 106–88
Nov 11 vs LAC W 134–128
Nov 10 vs GSW L 116–127
Nov 8 vs HOU W 126–107

Previous meetings

DateMatchupScore
May 18 2023-24 OKC at DAL OKC 116 – 117 DAL
May 15 2023-24 DAL at OKC DAL 104 – 92 OKC
May 13 2023-24 OKC at DAL OKC 100 – 96 DAL
May 11 2023-24 OKC at DAL OKC 101 – 105 DAL
May 9 2023-24 DAL at OKC DAL 119 – 110 OKC